Michalsky - report

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Name of player:Michalsky
IP Address:
Offences:Insult, belligerence, teamkilling
Date:31/07/2016 02:30
Evidence:The logs of the servers should be sufficient
Witnesses: Duck, Dertoh45

Information: When I first arrived on the server, at around 00:00 to 00:30, Duck, Dertoh45 and Bl4de were complaining about Michalsky teamkilling them for not complying to orders. As I understood, a mis-thrown flashbang angered Michalsky at which point he decided to kill the person who had thrown it. Later on in the evening, as we were playing a round on Backstage, Michalsky stopped the game to ask the team repeatedly why we "didn't stak of the wall??" after a positioning error by Dertoh. We proceeded to advance through a room without explaining ourselves, as a suspect had just taken off. Michalsky refused to move and Dertoh stayed with him.

Once Duck and I had cleared the area and the action had calmed down, Dertoh explained he mis-positioned himself. In a fit of rage, Michalsky shot him down, following which Duck shot Michalsky down, as he had become an obvious threat to the team, having already team-killed twice due to his frustration. Given Michalsky's past with this community and in particular in ETS's server, we hope you will treat this offense with the seriousness we believe it deserves. Thank you.
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point44 wrote:
As I understood, a mis-thrown flashbang angered Michalsky at which point he decided to kill the person who had thrown it.
Not exacly. I was angered by Dertoh45 whose behaviours was explained in my report of him.

point44 wrote:
Later on in the evening, as we were playing a round on Backstage, Michalsky stopped the game to ask the team repeatedly why we "didn't stak of the wall??" after a positioning error by Duck. We proceeded to keep advancing through a rooms without explaining ourselves, as a suspect had just taken off. Michalsky refused to move and Duck stayed with him.
Not exacly. That was Dertoh45 and I've already reported him. I ordered you to stay in positions, and you rushed in and may cause trigger of hostage situation. Already reported you because that was your second misbehave of that kind in a short period of time.

point44 wrote:
Duck explained he mis-positioned himself.
No (and that was Dertoh45). He did not explained why he did't stick to the wall, he keep saying "I DID!"
RESSURECTED
I can confirm being a witness and confirm everything point44 said is true. (I'm duck)
Michalsky, you haven't read the final post. I talked to Dertoh who reminded me of who was who. The names are in order in the post.
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After going through the chatlog (see fragments below) it became clear that Michalsky intentionally teamkilled a teammember twice. A permanent ban will be issued for the following reasons:
- Intentionally teamkilling is a serious offence. There is never a good reason to do this, no matter how bad other player(s) play or behave. Contact an admin to sort out problems or just leave the server should there be no admin available and you can't deal with situations like these without breaking the rules yourself.
- Michalsky has already been banned twice in the past and had 2 succesful appeals to lift them. A quote from his last appeal: "If I'll perform any rule breaking behaviour in the future, you have now clear way to give me permanent BAN and I understand that."

This thread will remain open for a short time to allow others to respond.

[spoiler="Chatlog"][31/7/2016 1:11:7]: Say: Michalsky: do not execute my order again and ill put bullet in your head
[31/7/2016 1:13:34]: SwatTeamKill: Michalsky Dertoh45 SwatEquipment.MP5SMG
[31/7/2016 1:21:58]: Say: Michalsky: DO NOT EXECUTE MY ORDER AGAIN AND I WILL PUT BULLET IN YOUR HEAD
[31/7/2016 2:39:14]: SuspectsTeamKill: Michalsky Dertoh45 SwatEquipment.MP5SMG
[31/7/2016 2:39:50]: Say: Michalsky: I removed sabotaguing man from our team[/spoiler]
I have evidence that both of you lying
http://imgur.com/a/BAmkd
You can clearly see who is who.
EDIT: yes, you edited your post and now names are correct.
point44 wrote:
Michalsky shot him down, following which Duck shot Michalsky down, as he had become an obvious threat to the team, having already team-killed twice due to his frustration.
No. I will tolerate new players and teach them/show them what to do etc. but I won't tolerate saboteur and troll in my team when I am leader. I warned him that if he do not follow leader's orders next time, I will remove him from mission. I wasn't any threat to the team, after I removed Dertoh45 at Warehouse, we finished mission very well.
After second situation Duck just teamkilled me and you abused vote-kick to prevent me from collect more evidence.
RESSURECTED
That screenshot you posted confirms my report. You shot Dertoh, and Duck shot you. We are not lying.

Dertoh wasn't a troll or a saboteur, just a new player, as we all once were. I lead with Dertoh on my team and had no issues. He failed some grenade throws and made bad judgement calls when under your lead. That's no reason to take him out. That makes you the opposite of "tolerant towards new players".

The second situation occurred when you willfully shot Dertoh because he failed to comply to one of your orders. That is never acceptable.
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You edited your post and names are correct now. But before that, both of you lying because you given wrong names and Duck "confirmed all what you said"

point44 wrote:
Dertoh wasn't a troll or a saboteur, just a new player, as we all once were.
No. He is not totally new player, I saw him before.

point44 wrote:
He failed some grenade throws and made bad judgement calls when under your lead. That's no reason to take him out.
No. First situation: my order: use gas 12'oclock very far (he was 2nd in formation). What he done? Used his gas close, almost bounced it back, and whole team were teamgassed. I asked him why he done that, he told me that he don't understand what "12 o'clock" means. Second situation after which I decided to remove him, was when we were stacked up. I ordered to scan, 1nd opened door. What he done? Turned himself from doors and started running without any reason/sence etc. And that's not all, his general behaviour was very turbulent, like I ordered to clear room and after clearance he just run out of that room and starter running without any order etc.

point44 wrote:
The second situation occurred when you willfully shot Dertoh because he failed to comply to one of your orders. That is never acceptable.
No. After his failure (exposed himself to suspect while I ordered to stick to the wall), I just wanted to get an explanation from him, why he done that? He just kept saying ("No, I was sticked" or sth like that). Looks like doesn't understand english or he is sabouter/troll, so I decided to remove him again.
RESSURECTED
Troll,saboteur,rambo whatever, it doesn't matter.Team killing is an offence that is neither tolerated nor accepted in our server.You should have called for an admin, instead of deciding to take matters into your own hand.

Also from the logs you provided, I don't see any intentional "trolling " or "sabotage" anywhere.

You should have called an admin even if you thought that was the case.I'm sure someone must have been online.Also being disrespectful towards other people in our server is not acceptable .How could anyone believe you,when you are not polite towards others?


Not that my opinion matters, but considering you've been banned for team killing in the past as well,I totally agree with Struis's decision to permanent ban you.
Gas21 wrote:
Also from the logs you provided, I don't see any intentional "trolling " or "sabotage" anywhere.
I didn't provided any logs, I provided only screenshots that shows who is who.When I tried to collect more evidence they just abused vote-kick to prevent me from it.
RESSURECTED
I feel like stepping into this conversation. At first, I would point out Struis' sentence:

Struis wrote:
- Intentionally teamkilling is a serious offence. There is never a good reason to do this, no matter how bad other player(s) play or behave. Contact an admin to sort out problems or just leave the server should there be no admin available and you can't deal with situations like these without breaking the rules yourself.


To make it even more exact, there is never a good reason to do this. We only understand teamkills that were accidental (fireline, mouse bug, game overlays causing shooting on click - good old xfire lol, etc.). It is clear that your teamkill was not accidental and that it is. As far as you find yourself a reason to intentionally teamkill someone, you should be banned from playing in our servers, as you tend to break the rules (repeatedly - in your case).
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Hunter wrote:
As far as you find yourself a reason to intentionally teamkill someone, you should be banned from playing in our servers, as you tend to break the rules (repeatedly - in your case).
No. My first ban long time ago about "teamkill" was different situation, and my last ban was completly different thing (flaming etc). This is first time situation that I am leader, there is troll/saboteur under my command who do not understand english, ignores leader's orders etc and I decide to remove him (after multiple warnings and attempt to get explanation of his behaviours but without any result) from mission before he ruin plans to prevent failure as I seen there is no other option at 3A.M. in the middle of the night while no admins are online on forum.
RESSURECTED
Michalsky, your claims are wildly exaggerated.

Again, as the logs show, Dertoh was not a "troll/saboteur", simply a new player learning the game tactically. He spoke perfect English and didn't ignore your orders. As I said in my previous post, I lead the team with both Dertoh and Duck on it without any issues.

He might have blown the C2 before asking him to, but that's just a newbie mistake. Had you, for example, asked him to stack at a door and had he gone through the door and poped a flash, that would be ignoring orders. He simply misunderstood the way a Specialist operates in regards to his C2.

Regardless of your reasons, no actions that took places warranted a willful team kill.
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Michalsky wrote:
No. My first ban long time ago about "teamkill" was different situation, and my last ban was completly different thing (flaming etc). This is first time situation that I am leader, there is troll/saboteur under my command who do not understand english, ignores leader's orders etc and I decide to remove him (after multiple warnings and attempt to get explanation of his behaviours but without any result) from mission before he ruin plans to prevent failure as I seen there is no other option at 3A.M. in the middle of the night while no admins are online on forum.


This is not my area to dwell in but still in these circumstances, do you really think that Teamkilling them was a perfect Idea of getting rid of them just because they were not following orders etc etc. You should know that if your claiming that one of these players involved of the incident and that did not understand English did you not bother to check if they speak English at all? Plus on the point of teamkiling what in anyone's mind would you teamkill, You have seen ETS members making sure for those new to the game be taught in a orderly fashion did you not try to make sure they were taught with the tactics that we usually use?

I believe that ban is good for you as it gives time to reflect of what you have done, you were luckly enough to be given another chance by us and clearly you did not learn a single thing from that matter it seems. I hope that this time you do reflect
*Long Post - About a previous engagement with Michalsky*

I do not enjoy digging up the past or stirring up drama but I am afraid I will have to put another nail in the coffin.

In the past, well before last week during a very similar situation, Michalsky team-killed one of the officers under my lead in the Sister's Of Mercy mission. Firstly, this new player simply stood up as pointman before an Flash&Clear command was issued. What resulted was Michalsky throwing the bang at the new player. Luckily, the room was clear and no harm was done. Afterwards, Michalsky did rant at the new player for failing the bang, using hateful words rather than reassurance or criticism.

At the very next stack up, I ordered the same Flash&Clear command. While the new player opened the door, Michalsky was typing at the time. The new player noticed this and threw the bang himself as pointman and entered the room. Michalsky saw him do this after typing his message and immediately shot him in the back, killing him. The new player left the server, not before typing "Wtf?" in confusion. That I can remember clearly.

After this, myself, Michalsky and another tactical player (whose name escapes my memory) argued his decision to kill the new player. Michalsky commented that the new player would have "ruined the mission" while I stated that killing another player is never an option, and that a kick is the most he should do. The other tactical player agreed with me.

Now this happened before, so it does go to show that on top of the previous reports on Michalsky, he does not wish to provide any sort of environment for new players to learn the game. I let this slide because at the time, I was unaware of the reports against Michalky in the past, but now that I do, it looks like a reoccurring theme.
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